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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://notjustanotherdad.com/2009/07/08/vaccinations-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you know, we too have done a lot of research on this topic. We have chosen a similar path. There is an overwhelming amount of information out there to ingest.  For me, when examining what appear to be the most reliable unbiased resources, the main conclusion that I have drawn is that the system in place in this country is fundementally flawed. Autism links? My answer for now is I don&#039;t know. There is no hard evidence on a causal link, but there is equal evidence that can refute the possibility and some frightening in betweens. There is fact, scientific and otherwise that is disturbing. I have a problem with the fact, for example, that Rotovirus vaccinations have become part of the required schedule when it is a temporary disease that at worst causes diarrhea that can lead to dehydration - thus only really threatening in a third world environment without the access to healthcare (an I.V.) that most of us have, and one of the most common side effects of the shot is...drumroll please...severe diarrhea and dangerously high fevers!! There is some evidence that points to the chicken pox being beneficial to kids in building there immune systems to fight other illnesses yet this newer vaccine is now part of the schedule.  But worst to me is that some aspects make it very difficult not to draw terrible conclusions about greed and negligence and deceit.  The fact that scientists have studied and concluded the that an adult being exposed to more than 25mg of aluminum can be harmful and some of the most commonly used multivaccines have over 650mg  going into an infant is maddening along with the fact the these vaccines seem to be carelessly approved for use without appropriate long term studies on the effects.  We were adminstering known poisonous levels of mercury through thimerisol for nearly than 20 years because it was a successful preservative.  more recently we were told that manufacturers were discontuing single doses to split up combo vaccines for Measels mumps and rubella so we won&#039;t even have that option anymore. There is obviously much more than this but it has certainly taught me the lesson to not assume and trust the motives. My final frustration to highlight is that the medical field makes clear effort to avoid informing new parents of options to slow down the schedule, split up shots, etc.  We were told by the doctor who was speaking to us condescendingly for having concern that the main reason multiple shots are administered at once several times in the schedule is because with so many dual working parents these days it saves time and trips to the office. But that would not have even been mentioned had we not brought up the discussion. Here is an interesting link.  I think to dismiss the science is extreme, but more people need to recognize that that thought goes both ways on this issue and it certainly causes me less fear of being called an alarmist.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you know, we too have done a lot of research on this topic. We have chosen a similar path. There is an overwhelming amount of information out there to ingest.  For me, when examining what appear to be the most reliable unbiased resources, the main conclusion that I have drawn is that the system in place in this country is fundementally flawed. Autism links? My answer for now is I don&#8217;t know. There is no hard evidence on a causal link, but there is equal evidence that can refute the possibility and some frightening in betweens. There is fact, scientific and otherwise that is disturbing. I have a problem with the fact, for example, that Rotovirus vaccinations have become part of the required schedule when it is a temporary disease that at worst causes diarrhea that can lead to dehydration &#8211; thus only really threatening in a third world environment without the access to healthcare (an I.V.) that most of us have, and one of the most common side effects of the shot is&#8230;drumroll please&#8230;severe diarrhea and dangerously high fevers!! There is some evidence that points to the chicken pox being beneficial to kids in building there immune systems to fight other illnesses yet this newer vaccine is now part of the schedule.  But worst to me is that some aspects make it very difficult not to draw terrible conclusions about greed and negligence and deceit.  The fact that scientists have studied and concluded the that an adult being exposed to more than 25mg of aluminum can be harmful and some of the most commonly used multivaccines have over 650mg  going into an infant is maddening along with the fact the these vaccines seem to be carelessly approved for use without appropriate long term studies on the effects.  We were adminstering known poisonous levels of mercury through thimerisol for nearly than 20 years because it was a successful preservative.  more recently we were told that manufacturers were discontuing single doses to split up combo vaccines for Measels mumps and rubella so we won&#8217;t even have that option anymore. There is obviously much more than this but it has certainly taught me the lesson to not assume and trust the motives. My final frustration to highlight is that the medical field makes clear effort to avoid informing new parents of options to slow down the schedule, split up shots, etc.  We were told by the doctor who was speaking to us condescendingly for having concern that the main reason multiple shots are administered at once several times in the schedule is because with so many dual working parents these days it saves time and trips to the office. But that would not have even been mentioned had we not brought up the discussion. Here is an interesting link.  I think to dismiss the science is extreme, but more people need to recognize that that thought goes both ways on this issue and it certainly causes me less fear of being called an alarmist.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lissa</title>
		<link>http://notjustanotherdad.com/2009/07/08/vaccinations-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Lissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting blog post.  I agree wholeheartedly.  I know that immunizations are beneficial in protecting my kids from the host of illnesses and diseases that could kill them, but on the other hand watching them being injected with all of those &quot;toxins&quot; in one setting causes me to think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting blog post.  I agree wholeheartedly.  I know that immunizations are beneficial in protecting my kids from the host of illnesses and diseases that could kill them, but on the other hand watching them being injected with all of those &#8220;toxins&#8221; in one setting causes me to think&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://notjustanotherdad.com/2009/07/08/vaccinations-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 13:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Elizabeth, thanks for the comment...my first on this blog, hopefully the first of many more. Do you know anyone who has chosen the zero immunization route? Have you asked them why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Elizabeth, thanks for the comment&#8230;my first on this blog, hopefully the first of many more. Do you know anyone who has chosen the zero immunization route? Have you asked them why?</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth O.</title>
		<link>http://notjustanotherdad.com/2009/07/08/vaccinations-tmi/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the past decade, I get scared when I see how quickly actual science is tossed aside in favor of sound-bite rumors, forwarded emails and yes, people turning to Jenny McCarthy for any kind of medical guidance.

As you pointed out, we know that immunizations have eradicated many childhood illnesses/plagues of the past. It&#039;s also true that we don&#039;t know what causes autism, but because it manifests around the same time as immunizations take place, the link keeps getting explored.

To date no link has been proven - the paper that started the whole anti-vaccination movement? Ten of the 13 authors have withdrawn their conclusions and it has now come out that the main author falsified data to get to his conclusion.

There are many, many other hypotheses out there - both genetic and environmental in nature -  fragile X syndrome, mercury poisoning during pregnancy. The list is endless, and about every other day I read of a new research study being done in one of these areas. Of course, these studies are  never highlighted by Yahoo! or Oprah (and I love me some O) because they&#039;re not sexy and exciting, and people can&#039;t get all riled up about them.

So here&#039;s what&#039;s bizarre to me: why would parents not immunize their child when for SURE it will expose him/her and other children to harmful diseases, on the basis of something that has no proven link?  Spacing out the immunizations, for your own peace of mind, good for you. But potentially bringing back deadly childhood diseases on the basis of zero proof is just irresponsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the past decade, I get scared when I see how quickly actual science is tossed aside in favor of sound-bite rumors, forwarded emails and yes, people turning to Jenny McCarthy for any kind of medical guidance.</p>
<p>As you pointed out, we know that immunizations have eradicated many childhood illnesses/plagues of the past. It&#8217;s also true that we don&#8217;t know what causes autism, but because it manifests around the same time as immunizations take place, the link keeps getting explored.</p>
<p>To date no link has been proven &#8211; the paper that started the whole anti-vaccination movement? Ten of the 13 authors have withdrawn their conclusions and it has now come out that the main author falsified data to get to his conclusion.</p>
<p>There are many, many other hypotheses out there &#8211; both genetic and environmental in nature &#8211;  fragile X syndrome, mercury poisoning during pregnancy. The list is endless, and about every other day I read of a new research study being done in one of these areas. Of course, these studies are  never highlighted by Yahoo! or Oprah (and I love me some O) because they&#8217;re not sexy and exciting, and people can&#8217;t get all riled up about them.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s what&#8217;s bizarre to me: why would parents not immunize their child when for SURE it will expose him/her and other children to harmful diseases, on the basis of something that has no proven link?  Spacing out the immunizations, for your own peace of mind, good for you. But potentially bringing back deadly childhood diseases on the basis of zero proof is just irresponsible.</p>
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